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Marky Martialist's avatar

This is a type of sophomoric libertarian critique that’s fallen out over the last dozen years because it obviously doesn’t work as an alternative source of social organization, at least not a desirable one, and younger generations don’t care.

Of course every state is coercive. That doesn’t make a dysfunctional state a basic compartmentalization of data a con or a grift, and it never meant that the state apparatus can just let the conscience of an individual run against it without consequences.

You can’t run a civilization without training people from the womb to restrain themselves for the sake of civilizing cultural norms. We need those norms. They are oppressive, by definition, but we need them. You’re (somewhat quietly but not really) implying that we don’t need them, or that in a free society, we would need different ones that pinch less.

I don’t think so. When you’re talking about big institutions, but when it doesn’t work in the ground. Another example of the same conditioning is learning to keep your mouth shut when talking to a person who just went through something like a bad breakup.

There’s a time and a place and a WAY to call someone out. Not understanding that is a consequence of an excessively permissive upbringing and it now codes as autist bullshit, because it’s so common. We should be doing better. Snowden didn’t, and now he’s an exile. I think he deserves it. He tried to play like Muhammad Ali refusing the draft and misjudged his moment.

I don’t think you want to see yourself as an easily labeled conservative, but this is what conservatives know and why they are conservative. Brooks is a conservative. This essay was written for a particular type of masculine rebel psychology that might be legitimate when they criticize a lot of things right now, but there’s also a lot of Civilization 101 stuff they want to be truth tellers about and they burn their own credibility when they just talk conspiracy instead of having a better way with greater appeal lined up.

Still a good essay, but it’s lost its place in time.

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If you’re running an organization, particularly an intelligence organization, you need reliable people. That’s an immediate managerial concern, not in itself a general social value.

Brooks does say “he’s right” and “Sometimes leakers have to leak. The information they possess is so grave that it demands they violate their oaths.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/11/opinion/brooks-the-solitary-leaker.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

Brooks does then go out on a limb with broad generalizations about how Snowden undermined trust in general, so broad that it almost reads as parody. But it was unlikely that Brooks would post an unqualified endorsement of leaking from the NSA.

Brooks published on June 10, 2013, a week after Snowden fled to Hong Kong and two weeks before he continued to Russia.

The New Yorker reviewed only a day later:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/david-brooks-and-the-mind-of-edward-snowden

https://www.pbssocal.org/shows/newshour/clip/shields-and-brooks-on-syria-snowden-and-surveillance-1378501370

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